[Saving You] The Seeker-type Skill Discussion Thread, Part 1689 [Because You're Hopeless!!]
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711 Anonymous Seeker Support buff skills weren't really doing much, were they? I guess if your only personal buffs are Fighting Spirit and Mind Concentration, Floor 4 was always going to be your limit.
712 Anonymous Seeker Even if you have rare skills, they don't mean a thing if your base stats are too low. Fixed-value enhancement support skills don't boost values by enough; we really need more personal percentage-based enhancement skills. And it looked like having the Herculean Strength or Fleet-footed types was just as brutal. If you took those, your other skills didn't grow. In the end, you were still stuck in a hard fight... (；∀；)
713 Anonymous Seeker >712 Don't let it get you down. (´･∀･`) Besides, the problem was that just fighting normally gave more experience points anyway. Seeker only doubled them, and since we were forced to fight on the lower floors, the base experience points were just too damn low to begin with.
714 Anonymous Seeker Just use Asceticism, man.
715 Anonymous Seeker >714 Like anyone could actually use that!! Only true masochistic freaks could handle that thing!!
716 Anonymous Seeker But honestly, I felt like if someone actually could use Asceticism, they might be able to level up decently even with Seeker-type skills. I mean, the two combined would be 4x experience points.
717 Anonymous Seeker Asceticism aside, I just wish a Seeker could fight on even lower floors. If we could get Union of Mana and Might, we could go deeper...
718 Anonymous Seeker >717 Nah, that was impossible for guys like us. The acquisition conditions for Union of Mana and Might required over 200 HP and MP. One or the other might have been fine, but what level would you even need to reach to get both over 200? We've already wasted so many skill points; even breaking through Floor 10 was starting to look hopeless, you know?
719 Anonymous Seeker True that. By the time you'd even get Union of Mana and Might, your level would be so high that even 4x experience points on low floors would be inefficient.
720 Anonymous Seeker How many times are you guys going to have this same conversation? It's been said at least ten thousand times in this thread alone that Union of Mana and Might was impossible lol.
721 Anonymous Seeker Let's talk about something more constructive.
722 Anonymous Seeker >721 Huh? What "constructive" talk? You say it then!!
723 Anonymous Seeker >722 Don't snap all of a sudden www. Like, for example, reducing the party size to increase the experience points earned. If the base value was huge, even a 2x multiplier might have turned out pretty good, right?
724 Anonymous Seeker >723 There it is! That's another one that's been said ten thousand times.
725 Anonymous Seeker >723 We were already hitting Floor 4 with the absolute minimum number of people.
726 Anonymous Seeker No, no, even then, that was a three-man party, right? Apparently, Leveling Junkie Bro was soloing the Floor 4 monster room loops. Even if that was out of the question for us, wouldn't we have been able to manage one-on-one against normal encounter monsters?
727 Anonymous Seeker And there it was—the Leveling Junkie Bro mention.
728 Anonymous Seeker >726 If we could have done that, we'd already have been doing it!! Don't underestimate Floor 4!
729 Anonymous Seeker Fighting five Floor 4 monsters while using Seeker? I'm telling you right now, you'd have definitely died.
730 Anonymous Seeker It wasn't like Leveling Junkie Bro was fighting while using Seeker, though. Plus, that guy probably had a title skill that gave percentage-based enhancement. Also, we couldn't imitate that fighting style that made it look like he'd completely lost his fear of death. Was there anyone among us whose brain was as fried as Leveling Junkie Bro?
731 Anonymous Seeker >730 Unfortunately...
732 Anonymous Seeker >730 We were regular, sensible people, for better or worse...
733 Anonymous Seeker >732 Sensible... people...? You're calling idiots obsessed with Seeker-type skills "sensible"?
734 Anonymous Seeker >733 We'd already reached the point of no return.
735 Anonymous Seeker >733 It was because we'd already dumped 10 skill points into it...
736 Anonymous Seeker Lmao at not being "sensible" people starting from the very first choice you made www.
737 Anonymous Seeker Hey! Are you guys watching Leveling Junkie Bro's channel?!
738 Anonymous Seeker >737 What? What was the sudden fuss? Talk about timely.
739 Anonymous Seeker What did you mean "you guys" lol? Calm down www.
740 Anonymous Seeker Speak of the devil, I guess. Wait, Leveling Junkie Bro didn't have a channel. That was the "Hinata Channel."
741 Anonymous Seeker This was no time to be calm!! >740, I know that!! Anyway, watch this stream!! >[URL]
742 Anonymous Seeker What was with the sudden rush? Well, I took a look.
743 Anonymous Seeker Hmph, Hinata Channel, just as I expected.
744 Anonymous Seeker Huh? Wait a second?
745 Anonymous Seeker What? What was going on?
746 Anonymous Seeker Leveling Junkie Bro was going to loop the Floor 6 monster room using Seeker? No way, that was impossible.
747 Anonymous Seeker Wait, wait, wait!! No, that wasn't it!! He wasn't going to loop it! He was already in the middle of looping it right then!!
748 Anonymous Seeker Whaaat?! You meant he actually succeeded in looping the Floor 6 monster room using Seeker?! No way, was that even possible, no matter how you looked at it?!
749 Anonymous Seeker Holy crap, holy crap!! This guy was seriously looping it!!
750 Anonymous Seeker Aaaaah!! The Sword Aura and Mighty Blade combo?! So that was an option!! Like anyone could actually do that!! I didn't even have Mighty Blade to begin with!!
751 Anonymous Seeker No, the Mighty Blade thing was absurd, but he was actually holding his own in close-quarters combat too?! Even if he had percentage-based enhancement skills we didn't, could you really fight against Floor 6 monsters like that?!
752 Anonymous Seeker For those who weren't watching the stream until just then, I'll explain. It wasn't just percentage-based enhancement skills. Hinata-chan was giving him a fixed-value enhancement with Bless, and on top of that, he was boosting his stats by 10 each with a Bracelet of Technique and a Bracelet of Fleet-footedness. Wait, he was. From the second loop onward, Leveling Junkie Bro only used the Bracelet of Technique. Also, Hinata-chan's equipment looked like it had a Holy Magic enhancement effect, so she was probably boosting all stats by about 14 with Bless.
753 Anonymous Seeker A boost of 14 to all stats, plus another 10 to dexterity. Assuming an initial value average of 10, all stats were at least 24, and dexterity was 34. If he used Fighting Spirit and Mind Concentration in that state, it would double all stats, making them 48—except for dexterity, which would be 68. Even assuming agility was also 68 because of the Bracelet of Fleet-footedness... yeah, no way. With those stats, you normally couldn't loop the Floor 6 monster room. In fact, you wouldn't even have been able to win against a single Floor 6 monster. Not just one or two—they only encountered them in groups of five.
754 Anonymous Seeker As I thought, Leveling Junkie Bro had percentage-based enhancement skills other than Fighting Spirit and Mind Concentration. Watching this fight confirmed it for me again. Also, why did he stop using the Bracelet of Fleet-footedness? Was he just flexing while using Seeker? Was he stupid? Did he want to die?
755 Anonymous Seeker I thought there might have been something I could use as a reference, but it wasn't helpful at all lol. The combination of fixed-value enhancement and percentage-based enhancement... fundamentally, he was doing the same thing as us.
756 Anonymous Seeker I didn't know how much Leveling Junkie Bro's stats were boosted, but based on his movements, they didn't seem that high, did they? At the very least, it felt like his agility hadn't even broken 100. Also, he wasn't using Mind Concentration. I couldn't tell about his strength. Why the hell was this guy able to get one-hit kills while using Seeker???
757 Anonymous Explorer Hmm, I thought he might have taken Herculean Strength or Fleet-footed, but it didn't look like it. If those skills were at max level, his stats would have been at a level where he could fight Floor 6 monsters. Well, in exchange, your other skills wouldn't have grown at all.
758 Anonymous Seeker Taking the Herculean Strength types was just unreasonable. It took 15 to 20 skill points just to get Fighting Spirit and Mind Concentration to max level. On top of that, everyone here had definitely dumped 5 or 10 points into Seeker-type skills. The skill points were overwhelmingly insufficient.
759 Anonymous Seeker Actually, watching Leveling Junkie Bro's fight, it felt like his technical skill was just high rather than his stats being boosted. The Sword Aura/Mighty Blade combo was certainly powerful, but after that, he was just fighting normally in close quarters. There were rumors he had Danger Sense, but you couldn't fight like that with just that. How was this guy able to dodge by such a hair's breadth? He didn't even hesitate to dive into a mob of monsters; wasn't he afraid of dying? What was his mental state made of—orichalcum?
760 Anonymous Seeker Ugooo!! So Leveling Junkie Bro could fight like that just because he was Leveling Junkie Bro?! In the end, it just meant our boy Seeker was a useless child!!
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[Saving You] The Seeker-type Skill Discussion Thread, Part 1691 [Because You're Hopeless!!]
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129 Anonymous Seeker Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!! New skill, called it!!
130 Anonymous Seeker Indomitable Spirit?! I've seriously never heard of that!! I searched for it, but there's zero info; this was legit a new skill!!
131 Anonymous Seeker The effect was perfectly designed to mitigate the demerits of Seeker!!
132 Anonymous Seeker Whether this was a derivative skill of Seeker or not... it meant a demerit mitigation skill had been discovered!!
133 Anonymous Seeker The era of the Seeker had finally arrived!!
134 Anonymous Seeker If you maxed the skill level, did that mean you could boost all stats by up to 40 in the Floor 7 monster room?! If you combined this with fixed-value enhancement and percentage-based enhancement, it would be easy to get all stats over 100 even without Union of Mana and Might?! Seriously, maybe even guys like us would have been able to fight on the lower floors?! No, since the buff increased as the enemy level went up, maybe we could have fought even deeper!!
135 Anonymous Seeker The problem was the unlock conditions for Indomitable Spirit. I'm certain it was related to Seeker, but...
136 Anonymous Seeker I mean, wait! Wasn't Indomitable Spirit a little too strong?! For example, if you fought a monster 100 levels higher, at max skill level, your all stats would go up by 200, right?! Or even if you were Level 30 fighting a Level 100 monster, that was a 140 boost to all stats... You could just hunt high-level monsters as much as you wanted!! It was the strongest skill!!
137 Anonymous Seeker >136 Was it...? Maybe...
138 Anonymous Seeker >136 No, calm down lol. That calculation was wrong. It might have looked strong at first glance, but I thought it was still just a demerit mitigation skill for Seeker. You weren't going to be able to defeat monsters dozens of levels higher with just Indomitable Spirit, no matter how you looked at it. Even if you used it, I thought Floor 10 or below was the limit.
139 Anonymous Seeker >138 Why would you say that? Against a Level 100 monster, it was a 200 boost to all stats, and if you used percentage-based enhancement skills, your stats would have been over 400. I thought that was incredibly strong...
140 Anonymous Seeker >139 I won't deny it was strong, but have you guys forgotten the mechanic where status points increased every 10 levels? And the fact that monsters had higher stats than us humans. The total status points a human could earn up to Level 100 was 2,800. But if you challenged a Level 100 monster using Seeker, even with Indomitable Spirit, the max stat boost was 200. In terms of points, that only equated to 1,200. Furthermore, they said monster status points were 1.1 to 2.0 times higher than a human's. There were differences by species, but basically, they had more than humans. And Level 100 monsters were only those with high species values, so their stats were definitely high—most likely close to double. In that case, their total status points would have been around 5,600. Even if their stats were balanced, each one would have been over 930. And a Level 100 monster would definitely have had Fighting Spirit and Mind Concentration, and in the worst case, they'd even use Union of Mana and Might. You'd just get slaughtered by the sheer violence of their stats.
141 Anonymous Seeker Now that you mention it...!! Oh right, against a monster that much higher in level, you'd lose not just in stats, but also in skill points, which were a human's only strength... That meant you were losing in stats, number of skills, and levels. As expected, even if you challenged a higher-level monster, you couldn't win with just Indomitable Spirit. Wait? Did that mean Indomitable Spirit was actually weak? Was our boy Seeker still a useless child?
142 Anonymous Seeker >141 I wouldn't go that far... I thought it was perfectly usable for fighting normally on Floor 10 and below. It's just that, in the end, it felt like nothing more than a demerit mitigation skill for Seeker. Ultimately, even if you used Indomitable Spirit, it wasn't enough to exceed the enemy monster's stats on its own, and depending on their skills, you'd probably just lose. There probably wouldn't be many chances for it to shine in normal combat.
143 Anonymous Seeker No way...!! I thought the era of the "Strongest Seeker" had come...!!
144 Anonymous Seeker >143 Lmao at such a reckless delusion www.
145 Anonymous Seeker Well, it wasn't good to expect too much from Indomitable Spirit, but it was certain that it would make leveling with Seeker easier. For the sake of leveling, it was seriously a useful skill. Besides, thinking about fighting Level 100 monsters was pointless anyway. Monsters of that level didn't even appear on Floor 25.
146 Anonymous Seeker >145 True that. If a monster with an average stat of 930 existed, the world would be over www. Well, monsters couldn't leave the dungeon, so it was fine.
147 Anonymous Seeker As for us, if it was usable on Floor 10 and below, I thought it was a totally useful skill. Honestly, I really wanted Indomitable Spirit.
148 Anonymous Seeker True that. I'm really curious about the acquisition conditions!
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201 Anonymous Seeker Hmph, I see. Leveling Junkie Bro's guess definitely had some merit.
202 Anonymous Seeker When it came to leveling and skills, this guy's IQ suddenly shot up, didn't it? Even though he was usually like... that.
203 Anonymous Seeker The presumed unlock conditions were either landing the finishing blow on over 1,000 monsters that were 15–16 levels higher, or dealing a certain amount of damage to them. If we went with a nice round number like 15 levels—or 10 levels higher if we were being optimistic—for 1,000 monsters... well, it might have been possible to verify?
204 Anonymous Seeker >203 But even then, Floor 4 was the limit while using Seeker, right? Then wasn't it impossible? Level 10 monsters only started appearing from Floor 5.
205 Anonymous Seeker >204 No, if you had a supporter kill four monsters in a normal encounter group and had the Seeker user kill the remaining one, it wasn't impossible to fight on Floor 5. It would take time, but you could kill 1,000 of them.
206 Anonymous Seeker What if the condition was 15 levels higher?
207 Anonymous Seeker In that case, we'd have the supporter kill four, weaken the last one, and then have the Seeker user land the finishing blow. However, if the condition wasn't "landing the finishing blow"—say, if it was "dealing a certain amount of damage"—then it might have been a bit hopeless.
208 Anonymous Seeker Worst case, "depleting all HP solo" might have been the condition?
209 Anonymous Seeker >208 Ah, that's a definite possibility. If that was the case, 15 levels or higher would have been tough.
210 Anonymous Seeker In any case, I definitely wanted Indomitable Spirit!! Our useless boy Seeker might have been reborn as a useful child!! Let's gather volunteers and verify the unlock conditions!!
211 Anonymous Seeker Basically, we split into a "10 levels higher" group and a "15 levels higher" group. And since we wanted to test the conditions for "finishing blow," "certain amount of damage," and "solo HP depletion," we'd need at least six teams.
212 Anonymous Seeker Verification for "15 levels higher solo HP depletion" was impossible. Also, there weren't that many collaborators who could use support magic. At most, we could probably only make two teams.
213 Anonymous Seeker >212 True that. We'll just have to try two teams at a time. Should we start with the "finishing blow" verification for 10 and 15 levels?
214 Anonymous Seeker We'd be fighting the monsters one by one, right? In that case, for the 10-level one, couldn't we satisfy all the conditions at once by a narrow margin? Shouldn't we focus on actually unlocking Indomitable Spirit first and confirming the "1,000 kills" and "level" conditions?
215 Anonymous Seeker >214 True that.
216 Anonymous Seeker Alright, let's do that! I really hope it can be unlocked with Level 10 monsters!!
217 Anonymous Seeker Also, we need to keep an eye on Leveling Junkie Bro's movements. It looked like he picked up Asceticism, so he might discover a derivative skill for that lol.
218 Anonymous Seeker I wanted to say "no way they'd pop out that easily!!" But the fact that he actually seemed likely to find one was troubling (´･･`;)
219 Anonymous Seeker Ugooo!! To be honest, it was frustrating that Leveling Junkie Bro was the one who discovered the new skill instead of us...!! But I'm happy that our boy Seeker might finally become useful...!!
220 Anonymous Seeker Don't get depressed lol. I get how you feel, though. Confirming the detailed unlock conditions is our job!! Let's go, everyone!! Follow me!!
221 Anonymous Seeker >220 Don't just take charge on your own.
222 Anonymous Seeker >220 Don't act like the leader.
223 Anonymous Seeker >220 Don't get cocky.
224 Anonymous Seeker Lmao at the lack of cohesion www.